I bought one of these on a whim and am glad I did. I drive just over 300 feet on average forehand for perspective. The inbounds flight chart distance is 420 feet for this disc. The numbers were accurate. For me this disc has some turn at the start of the flight and a slow fade at the end, and a TON of glide. It will surprise you how little fade this disc has for how high its speed is, but it is not flippy by any means. I would not recommend for 10 plus mph headwind though. As far as being factory seconds, I have since bought about 15 of these things and I would say only 3 out of the 15 have enough noticeable imperfections to significantly impact the flight. This is compared to non factory second apexes that I bought later. Another important note about these discs (at least all the ones I recieved) is that they come in the white glow plastic which normally retails over twice the cost at around 20 dollars. Also for those not familiar with gateway diamond plastic it is similar to champion/opto so it is a quality durable plastic. The diamond glow plastic is tackier than regular diamond. I would definitely recommend to anyone looking for a controllable straighter flying max distance driver.
